tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post7207285669418643991..comments2023-12-15T02:04:08.213-08:00Comments on meat: If you buy an apple and feed it to a pig, is that solid waste?Bruce Kinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-28290746194241467282011-12-08T12:35:15.381-08:002011-12-08T12:35:15.381-08:00So why is it that you can't feed fruit and veg...So why is it that you can't feed fruit and veg to pigs, but the big dairies on Lowell-Larimer road can feed it to the cows? Strange set of rules....Kristihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14421150270049125967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-15288472882095092742011-12-08T12:34:28.083-08:002011-12-08T12:34:28.083-08:00So why is it that you can't feed fruit and veg...So why is it that you can't feed fruit and veg to pigs, but the big dairies on Lowell-Larimer road can feed it to the cows? Strange set of rules....Kristihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14421150270049125967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-36949775682835524562011-12-08T09:34:06.643-08:002011-12-08T09:34:06.643-08:00http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/138...http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6436/Local-sheriff-defends-farmer-from-FDA-intrusion.aspx<br /><br /><br /> Rob Johnson: "I would love to talk to the sheriff. One of my many initiatives is to educate the sheriff to their powers. Most are nothing more than revenue generation/collection tools of the state, when their true nature is supreme constitutional law enforcement officer, CEO of ALL courts in the county, with possee powers. Able to call upon the possee to even defend the rights of the people from other branches of government. The sheriff is also supposed to nullify unconstitutional acts and statutes, and ensure those pending court action face a VALID CAUSE of action establishing CORPUS DELICTI."<br /><br />Rob Johnson is on FB. He also has a FB group: Sui Juris Law where you can get more info.damaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02013544183482066326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-16391555199583830342011-12-04T17:09:22.367-08:002011-12-04T17:09:22.367-08:00It seems that your local bureaucrats have the same...It seems that your local bureaucrats have the same malady that afflicts their kind everywhere. That condition being Cranial Rectal Inversion. I, like many others, would like to see you nail their hides to the barn door. However, the reality is it is your money not ours. It seems that the prudent course is to pour a nice concrete slab and get on with your life and your farming.BigGAdawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152540404594859797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-14527278662305471832011-12-03T08:20:42.200-08:002011-12-03T08:20:42.200-08:00hey bruce, perhaps I should not post this, but...
...hey bruce, perhaps I should not post this, but...<br /><br />I do not know how to define solid waste, I just know when I hear it comming out of a county employee's mouth.paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07054479183464600815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-57892656589460726762011-12-03T07:18:09.337-08:002011-12-03T07:18:09.337-08:00Sounds like you should pour the cement pad to feed...Sounds like you should pour the cement pad to feed the pigs on. I am so sorry for this use of our tax money.Math Geekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03568679151202237390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-7470238847663024742011-12-02T08:56:48.468-08:002011-12-02T08:56:48.468-08:00Another way to spin it to them is that if you are ...Another way to spin it to them is that if you are allowed to use something more portable then you can move it so that any liquid waste can be more easily absorbed by the earth and not over saturate on area and potentially drain off into a water source somewhere.wookyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14817900145674472292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-24718212366567248042011-12-02T08:53:19.401-08:002011-12-02T08:53:19.401-08:00One last idea. Are they specifically saying "...One last idea. Are they specifically saying "slab" because those 12 x 12 stepping stones are concrete. Another option is the pre-made concrete pieces that go under central air units. All those options are portable if you end up changing you setup around or they change their minds. lolwookyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14817900145674472292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-37732473543072468742011-12-02T08:46:17.335-08:002011-12-02T08:46:17.335-08:00According to the law under piggeries you are suppo...According to the law under piggeries you are suppose to remove and bury or incinerate the stuff every day. So ask them this. If you put in a concrete pad or better yet a sheetmetal box on concrete flats and if you poured diesel on it every few days and burned it would that make them happy?wookyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14817900145674472292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-55034883580697139752011-12-02T05:52:07.619-08:002011-12-02T05:52:07.619-08:00Joel Salatin has a new book out (Folks, This Aint ...Joel Salatin has a new book out (Folks, This Aint Normal) that continues that conversation about farmers, food and consumers.<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Folks-This-Aint-Normal-Healthier/dp/0892968192/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322833567&sr=1-1sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10216149086520612937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-7466654096934996532011-12-01T22:09:27.397-08:002011-12-01T22:09:27.397-08:00I agree with you, Paul.I agree with you, Paul.Bruce Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-85766075553214426662011-12-01T20:32:19.157-08:002011-12-01T20:32:19.157-08:00Well said Paul.Well said Paul.Sagecreekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03127704220729632670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-81945303277110579262011-12-01T15:41:10.103-08:002011-12-01T15:41:10.103-08:00ignoring for a moment the county's flawed posi...ignoring for a moment the county's flawed position about solid waste, and instead just looking at animal husbandry, there does seem to be room for improvement. If the hogs are eating the majority of the produce before the next batch arrives then being on a slab would make it prety easy to do a quick pressure wash to remove the slime that would build up from some smashed and turning produce. safer and cleaner is better even with pigs. If the hogs can't keep up with the loads of pruduce then scraping off and composting the leftovers before putting the new load on the slab would help the new load last longer and reduce the potential for flies or smell. prety easy to due and better for both farmer and pigs.<br />now back to the county. If they were resonable the slab ideal would shut them up with out being a burden to the farmer. bruce is reasonable and if there is a benefit to his operation that is cost effective and helps him get along with his neighbors I am certain he would go for it. The county does not care about what is finacially feasable, reasonable, or fair. they cant even agree on what needs to be done among themselves. I do not know how to negotiate with someone that has no common sense and cant agree among them selves on what action they want.paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07054479183464600815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-31154562550460626142011-12-01T12:04:49.647-08:002011-12-01T12:04:49.647-08:00"fight the good fight!" I agree Paul! We..."fight the good fight!" I agree Paul! We need to make these bureaucratic morons defend their actions. By attempting to find ways around these stupid laws and regulations we force them to create MORE regulation.Sagecreekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03127704220729632670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-10892609122852997972011-12-01T09:09:30.087-08:002011-12-01T09:09:30.087-08:00if produce raised for human consumption but that d...if produce raised for human consumption but that does not meet market standards is solid waste then a lot of people are braking the law. drop apples in an orchard, or excess pumkins in a pumpkin patch are often left to decompose in the field. with there logic this would all be solid waste. fight the good fight!paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07054479183464600815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-53685866762207339792011-12-01T06:18:22.936-08:002011-12-01T06:18:22.936-08:00Is large scale composting illegal? If not what are...Is large scale composting illegal? If not what are the regulations for composting organic matter? Essentially that is what you are doing. The pigs eat what they want and the rest becomes soil. Does covering the excess with a layer of carbonaceous (wood chips) material and occasionally turning the pile not make it you a composting operation? Isn't compost a marketable product and if so how can is not be legal to make compost?sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10216149086520612937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-2879681119714193052011-11-30T10:28:24.751-08:002011-11-30T10:28:24.751-08:00oh my freakin goodness. This world is literally go...oh my freakin goodness. This world is literally going insane! I cannot grasp the concept of their arguments. Bureaucratic Ridiculousness Syndrome. It is unfortunate that you are dealing with insane people...that's tough to fight.goldforestfarms.blogspot.cahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03000577922412768699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-59261135702003695802011-11-30T09:38:21.056-08:002011-11-30T09:38:21.056-08:00This guy nails it: "The real swine in this ca...This guy nails it: "The real swine in this case are the criminals in cheap suits who control the lives of others allegedly to save us from ourselves while growing fat off of the public purse. That people willingly submit to this subhuman treatment is the real problem here. Legislators and their enforcement mechanism are nothing but a gang masquerading as public service. Of course, it is obvious who is being served here."<br /><br />I'd make them get a search warrant next time, ticket me, then take it to court.Sagecreekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03127704220729632670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-45466405508332104782011-11-30T09:20:40.168-08:002011-11-30T09:20:40.168-08:00Snohomish county (washington state, really, since ...Snohomish county (washington state, really, since it's a state law) isn't the only one that outlaws the feeding of vegetables to pigs. Here's a story about a missouri farmer who wanted to feed HIS OWN VEGETABLES to his pigs and was told he could not do that. <br /><br />Vegetables raised on his farm. <br />http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2011/07/21/missouri-law-includes-vegetables-definition-garbage/Bruce Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-60745355441028142692011-11-30T09:15:36.871-08:002011-11-30T09:15:36.871-08:00If it was me, I'd never let them on my propert...If it was me, I'd never let them on my property, and I'd invest in some privacy fence. lol The other thing I'd do is probably build some sort of feeder for the produce. Less waste and more difficult for them to see what I'm feeding.Sagecreekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03127704220729632670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-84371450688031895472011-11-30T09:07:52.129-08:002011-11-30T09:07:52.129-08:00"Processing" the fruits and vegetables i..."Processing" the fruits and vegetables is an interesting idea.Bruce Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-64730565873681106792011-11-30T08:39:15.211-08:002011-11-30T08:39:15.211-08:00"They'd rather I switch to a commercial f..."They'd rather I switch to a commercial feed; mike, the fellow on the right, made that suggestion. If I fed a commercial feed, the health department would be just fine with me." <br /><br />Sorry for your plight against the fascist mentality. I am sure your county is not the only one that would do this. <br /><br />Maybe if you just had a paper company hire someone to pick the produce up and then invoice it to you, and you pay by check that would make it "commercial feed?" <br /><br />Perhaps if the feed was processed in some way as to alter the condition of the produce in order to make it more processed? Like adding lime or salt? <br /><br />Get a copy of the ordinance/ statute and look carefully at the language. Maybe there are other ways to interpret this?<br /><br />Good luck!stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254728148882930531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-45401828971900584132011-11-30T08:05:30.441-08:002011-11-30T08:05:30.441-08:00At this point I have four choices:
1) Tell them ...At this point I have four choices: <br /><br />1) Tell them that I don't agree that fruits and vegetables are solid waste, and ask them to cite and fine me. Once they've assessed a fine, I can then appeal the citation and fine and argue this in front of a (hopefully impartial) judge. Figure this option will cost me at least $10,000.00 in legal fees. It will cost the health department more than that. <br /><br />2) I can put in some concrete slabs and have the pigs eat the same produce off the concrete slabs. I'd be feeding exactly the same fruits and vegetables, but on concrete. Call the health department and say "Ok, I'm now on concrete" and call it done. Figure this will cost me $1500 or so. <br /><br />3) I can work with the conservation district on a farm plan. On receipt of the farm plan the health district and I can both look at it and figure out whether it resolves their concerns and whether it makes economic sense for me to do. Neither the health district nor I can approve the farm plan because neither of us want to agree blindly to something. <br /><br /> I can then either choose to implement it, or not. If I don't implement it, I can go back and choose either one of the options above. <br /> At this point this is the option that the health district has agreed to. No enforcement action for 6 months or so while we work on a farm plan. <br /><br />Or, (4) I could stop feeding produce and feed only prepared feed, which the health district has said is just fine with them.Bruce Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-56603881490733978942011-11-30T03:26:44.357-08:002011-11-30T03:26:44.357-08:00Sorry to hear that Snohomish County just won't...Sorry to hear that Snohomish County just won't leave you alone. I'm still trying to wrap my head around their decisions (as I'm sure you are). So is their next move to start fining you?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378374337167173122noreply@blogger.com