tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post373696508680097422..comments2023-12-15T02:04:08.213-08:00Comments on meat: Horses -- the other red meatBruce Kinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-52289393224651182502010-11-12T06:30:37.511-08:002010-11-12T06:30:37.511-08:00I greatly dislike the implied connection between &...I greatly dislike the implied connection between "if we dont let them slaugther, theyll just abandon/starve/other horribleness them instead"<br />Whatever happened to euthanasia for pets? and responsible practices of spaying/neutering as a natural part of ownership of PETS? because in present day america, that does seem to be what horses fall under.<br /><br />Often this blog tries to be a voice of reason for responsible husbandry of animals, For instance, Bruce himself repeatedly brings up the notion to not buy into "fads" in livestock (emus, kangaroos, goats ect.) unless there is a market. Likewise, why breed your horse if:<br />1, Theres a surplus on the market.<br />2, you are unable to sell the subsequent offspring.<br />3, your horse is NOT the best damn horse ever, ensuring the value of the stock.<br />A great deal of the horses that are being starved ect, seems (to me atleast) to be bred and neglected, and subsequently sent to slaugther by people who should bother doing research, rather than look for an easy outlet for their back-yard bred horse.<br /><br />I personally have no moral qualms about eating an animal, if the animal in question was raised for consumption and regulated and kept for consumption. Much as i would want to put good safe and LEGAL beef/pork/chicken on my plate, i would want the same if it came to Emu,Ostrich/Kangaroo/Horse, heck even Guinea pig/Whale if i ever go to the respective countries.<br /><br />(I wrote an anonymous post higher up, but if im gonna keep having an opinion, i might aswell have a name to go with it.)Sarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-68059674187126833602010-11-11T20:53:29.605-08:002010-11-11T20:53:29.605-08:00Wow, Bruce, you found a hornets nest!!!!
I only se...Wow, Bruce, you found a hornets nest!!!!<br />I only see too much emotion and not much common sense in those against horse slaughter. I have certainly never heard that horse meat was making dogs or cats sick in the '70's. and a quick google search reveals nothing of the kind. <br />I'll end with a quote from Shakespeare: <br /><br />"Your worm is your only emperor for your diet:<br />We fat all creatures else to fat us.<br />And we fat ourselves for maggots."damaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02013544183482066326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-15227047472184006832010-11-11T13:21:51.506-08:002010-11-11T13:21:51.506-08:00Funder - you are incorrect. Bravo Packing is stil...Funder - you are incorrect. Bravo Packing is still in operation. Look it up, they have a website, and they do still kill horses for zoos etc... <br />Beyond that, not all people that send their horses to auction are desperate, unfortunately, like you, they are uneducated and clueless of the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-56500364754381190232010-11-11T12:11:04.517-08:002010-11-11T12:11:04.517-08:00The problem that should also be addressed here is ...The problem that should also be addressed here is the over breeding of horses that goes on in this country! Check out how many thoroughbred, Quarter horses, Appaloosas and paints are registered in this country every year. How many of those horses end up in good homes and how many end up going to slaughter. Not to mention the back yard breeding that goes on with on count on how many unregistered horses are born every year in this country!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-28366286225735634912010-11-11T11:51:22.389-08:002010-11-11T11:51:22.389-08:00In China and Korea they eat dogs so should we star...In China and Korea they eat dogs so should we start eating digs here,too?<br />In California the slaughter and transport to slaughter of horses has been outlawed and there is no increase of cases of abandoned or starving horses since then.In fact,the selling of horses to slaughter for profit actually gives the incentive to breed more horses,not less.And many people are now afraid to sell or give away their horses out of fear that they will end up on the slaughter truck so it actually increases the cases of horse neglect.<br />Horses are used as therapy animals or they carry us on their backs.Horses trust humans and as a thanks they get loaded on trucks;little ponies with large draft horses and then unloaded where they can smell the blood and death.They often arrive with broken legs and necks and open wounds.<br />By the way,ask the people of the communities that had horse slaughter plants and they will tell you of pools of decaying blood and carcasses and entrails rotting outside and what-not.They needed years to clean up the mess after the plants closed.<br />The whole idea is just so wrong on so many levels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-67845225607638351012010-11-11T11:12:11.436-08:002010-11-11T11:12:11.436-08:00To me, it seems infinitely more cruel to leave unw...To me, it seems infinitely more cruel to leave unwanted horses to starve to death than it is to send them to a slaughtering facility. At least that is relatively quick. With adequate water, it can take a horse months of suffering and torment before it finally starves to death. People seem to think that there are enough rescue operations to take in all these unwanted horses, but there isn't. And shipping them thousands of miles to be butchered in Mexico or Canada is cruel as well, plus a waste on resources (think of all the gas burned to get them there). If people can't afford to care for their horses any longer, they should be able to send them to an inspected, regulated, US slaughter facility, especially since the market in horses has dropped and its hard to find someone else to take on your hungry animals that you can't afford. I've butchered my own animals as well as hunted for game, and am convinced a relatively rapid death is more humane than drawn out suffering. And for the record, I own my own horses, and care for them well.Trishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-52417534289118573982010-11-11T11:01:05.389-08:002010-11-11T11:01:05.389-08:00build a horse slaughter plant on a Native American...build a horse slaughter plant on a Native American reservation?Carlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-70131629823316146512010-11-11T10:35:37.913-08:002010-11-11T10:35:37.913-08:00Bruce, IN OTHER COUNTRIES horses are RAISED as liv...Bruce, IN OTHER COUNTRIES horses are RAISED as livestock and they AREN'T given the toxic chemicals that we routinely give our horses (our pets) here, which is why horse meat is no longer used in pet food here - as it is TOXIC to pets! Why don't you truly educate yourself on a topic before you start spouting off about something you obviously know nothing about. You stated "What faces many horse owners now is that there is just no good way to dispose of a horse"; that is a COMPLETE LIE! I have put a horse to sleep as that was the responsible thing to do, he was our much loved companion for many years and once his health deteriorated to the point of suffering as his owner and protector it was our job to call the vet and have him HUMANLY euthanized. I have never owned a rank/mean horse, but I've know people who did and they knew the responsible thing was to put a bullet in the horse's head to protect anyone from being injured. A person who is starving a horse is not doing it because slaughter isn't an available option, they are doing it becuase they can't afford to feed the horse and don't know what to do - having slaughter available in the US wouldn't change the percentage of starving or abused horses in this country at all. The reason slaughter is promoted is due MONEY and human greed; the AQHA promotes slaughter because the more horses that are breed the more registration fees they receive. There is no withdrawal period on many of the drugs we give our horses on a routine basis, meaning that once they have been give that drug they are not EVER intended to wind up as a meal for humans or pets. But again greedy aholes step in and they are going to lie through there teeth about the horse not having received anything. Don't you think that if a kill buyer buys a horse for $50 and can sell it to a horrific death (watch the youTube videos - I can post a couple good links for you) for $600 that he won't hesitate to lie on a form when there is no penalty for lying. I'll tell you another thing, a starving horse has a chance - he is not dead and many a horse has been rescued and brought back from starvation. A slaughtered horse has no chance. Many people have had their prized horse or family pet (horse) stolen right out of their pasture by people looking to make a quick $ - can you imagine the horror of finding out that your beloved animal was sold to slaughter - you admit is gruesome. When slaughter occurred here in the US there were PLENTY of cases of horrible abuse and injuries. The USDA has released those photos and reports under the FOIA. WE DO NOT WANT OUR HORSES TO BE IN DANGER OF SLAUGHTER HERE OR ANYWHERE, THEY ARE NOT LIVESTOCK, THEY ARE OUR FAMILY! That would be like eating grandma. Like every responsible horse owner, I worm my horses regularly (every 6-8 wks) and every wormed states "not intended for horses destined for slaughter", I use bute (a Non-Steroid-Anti-Inflammatory-Drug)to ease my horses discomfort when he is sore (just like people take Ibupropen), I give Penicillin when there is infection, antihistimines for allergies, etc, etc. Answers to the problems, stop breeder incentives, have fees for every registration that go to legitimate horse rescue organizations and to fund retirement, stop breeding inferior horses, get the economy back on its feet (which by the way horse people contribute GREATLY to the economy - farriers, vets, feed stores, tack stores, grooming supplies, supplements, drugs, etc, etc,- every horse makes a significant contribution to the economy). The breed associations refuse to recognize that right now there is no market, yet they keep incentivizing people to breed more horses.Valeriehttp://www.4wildhorses.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-16622037089258947192010-11-11T10:11:20.886-08:002010-11-11T10:11:20.886-08:00Airspace - wow. So if someone writes a controvers...Airspace - wow. So if someone writes a controversial thought they should be fined and jailed?<br /><br />You obviously disagree, why don't you thoughtfully put it in writing so we can see you point of view, and not the stalinistic views you hold.<br /><br />BarryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-9916746608808986602010-11-11T10:01:33.944-08:002010-11-11T10:01:33.944-08:00Yeah, as much as I hate the idea of NAIS, a workin...Yeah, as much as I hate the idea of NAIS, a working ID system would really help auction buyers. Still, NIMBY - I don't want to register my horse and goats with <i>anybody!</i>Funderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358687366401205336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-80764256196043583022010-11-11T09:58:04.434-08:002010-11-11T09:58:04.434-08:00Funder -- the same is true for many animal owners ...Funder -- the same is true for many animal owners at auctions. Our current system of selling animals at auction provides anonymity for the seller, and I'm certain that animals have entered the food chain that shouldn't have via auction. <br /> that's one of the reasons that I think that an animal ID system that allows you to track where an animal has come from is a good idea, even though their are vocal opponents to any animal ID system.Bruce Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-67715874540852736302010-11-11T09:54:52.309-08:002010-11-11T09:54:52.309-08:00Here is the link that you requested, Bruce:
http:/...Here is the link that you requested, Bruce:<br />http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/NewsEvents/CVMUpdates/ucm124078.htmChristy leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-425976480485900722010-11-11T09:51:58.029-08:002010-11-11T09:51:58.029-08:00Jeannie, the slaughterhouse in NJ was underground,...Jeannie, the slaughterhouse in NJ was underground, unlicensed, totally illegal. It has nothing to do with humane horse slaughter. And Bruce isn't a horse owner - why on earth should he work on ending futurities or overbreeding or any of that? He has his own priorities.<br /><br />Bruce, horse owners who use bute aren't bad people - it irritates the stomach, like all NSAIDS, but otherwise it's not harmful to horses. It's overused, but so is ibuprofin in humans.<br /><br />Any horse owner desperate enough to run a horse through auction will sign any piece of paper you want. Individual owners like to believe their precious pookie is going to a loving 4H home, large breeders dumping unsold stock just don't care what happens, and the kill buyers really don't care where the horses came from. Nobody's breeding horses for food, because the prices are too low, so nobody's using best practices for food animals.Funderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358687366401205336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-67481299968158846392010-11-11T09:51:44.690-08:002010-11-11T09:51:44.690-08:00This is why I continue to read... I thoroughly enj...This is why I continue to read... I thoroughly enjoy watching you make people mad by stating facts. Also, I would believe most of the people getting mad are horse people. <br /><br />So why would they approve of giving their horses these chemicals to begin with? You are suggesting a much more efficient process for ending these animals life, so why do these people disagree? I still have not heard a viable option from any of the haters for how to fix the problem. idealism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-41464157485165993212010-11-11T09:35:34.881-08:002010-11-11T09:35:34.881-08:00Lets see what the American Veterinary Medical Asso...Lets see what the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) has to say:<br /><br />"The AVMA and other AHSPA opponents contend that the assault of the anti-horse-slaughter coalition, led by HSUS, on the federally regulated horse slaughter industry has, in fact, led to the current welfare crisis. Unwanted horses fared much better when they were transported under government supervision to U.S. regulated facilities and humanely euthanized, they say. (Cavel International Inc., the foreign-owned operator of the Illinois slaughter plant, is appealing the state ban to the U.S. Supreme Court.)<br /><br />"The reality is, proponents of this legislation have done nothing to address the real issue here, and, in fact, by seeking to ban horse slaughter, they have made things significantly worse," said Dr. Mark Lutschaunig, director of the AVMA Governmental Relations Division. Opponents of the federal ban say its supporters should instead focus their energies on addressing what to do with the some 100,000 horses relinquished by their owners each year to slaughter<br /><br />http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/jan08/080115a.aspBruce Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-20699128541547082762010-11-11T09:23:20.249-08:002010-11-11T09:23:20.249-08:00This Must be a Pro slaughter writer that only supp...This Must be a Pro slaughter writer that only support his own agenda which is pure ignorance.. <br />Knowing there are drugs in horses like wormers, brute and steriods..<br />Horse slaughter also promotes abuse and neglect which is against the law..<br />This article and writer should be jailed and fined.<br />I can surely bet he or she has never donated to a horse rescue in there lifetime..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-59713078962717919282010-11-11T09:19:51.266-08:002010-11-11T09:19:51.266-08:00I've gotten a number of comments from folks wi...I've gotten a number of comments from folks with links to this or that horse rescue operation. Typically they're one line emails "Please read this!!". <br /><br />I'm no longer going to publish that sort of link. Write your opinion, say what your point is, and then provide a link to anything that supports or backs up your opinion and I'll post that. <br /><br />Take the time to make your point and back it up. I get that many people are emotional about this, and I've published enough of that here to show that point. Now move on.Bruce Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-28826223904830555782010-11-11T09:19:24.864-08:002010-11-11T09:19:24.864-08:00http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/keeping-bute-out...http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/keeping-bute-out-of-the-foodchain/Christy Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-72495245639097859982010-11-11T09:17:04.676-08:002010-11-11T09:17:04.676-08:00Horse owners juicing their horses! Seriously man, ...Horse owners juicing their horses! Seriously man, educate yourself! <br />Do you think all those sport horses performing and making money for their owners, getting injuries in the process should not have pain medication?? Bute is a NSAID, so commonly given to horses it is called the aspirin of the horse world. <br /><br />I challenge you to find one racehorse that has not beeen given Bute, and by that I mean I horse that has raced, not just the breed!<br />Better yet, go pick up a package of wormer for horses, read the package and take note of the section that states "not intended for animals destined for food" Do you propose that horses not be treated for worms?? <br /><br />Here is an unbiased document I can only hope will help inform you, but I have my doubts. You seem to just be set in your completely wrong opinion, which is sad. However, I can say it is people like you that energize those of us that do care about animals and human health, so thanks for that!<br />http://www.equinewelfarealliance.org/uploads/Food_and_Chemical_Toxicology_Manuscript-FINAL.pdf<br />(oh and just so you know - this is a link from the Equine Welfare Alliance, it was not written by them)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-25658916553578937662010-11-11T09:12:49.341-08:002010-11-11T09:12:49.341-08:00Posted links, and they are not showing...Posted links, and they are not showing...Christy Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-11137189858651936422010-11-11T09:07:34.838-08:002010-11-11T09:07:34.838-08:00http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/horseslaughter...http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/horseslaughter-123.shtml Another good read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-47186975401743158082010-11-11T09:05:56.539-08:002010-11-11T09:05:56.539-08:00http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/ This is the best w...http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/ This is the best website for getting oneself educated on horse slaugther and the realities of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-4500177444804546752010-11-11T09:03:08.563-08:002010-11-11T09:03:08.563-08:00Harmful to HUMANS...not to the horses..Bruce King ...Harmful to HUMANS...not to the horses..Bruce King and the other meds are the ones that do not leave ahorses body. Google, med used in horsesJeannienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-9619298986951490472010-11-11T09:01:27.260-08:002010-11-11T09:01:27.260-08:00IF, you knew anything about HORSES, they are born ...IF, you knew anything about HORSES, they are born with an uncanny sence of feeling danger. They want to flee..Just like a MOTHER has the 6th sence when something is wrong, it is a natural instinct. Except for the fact that anyone can put their picture and post anything with out true education, you have no clue. Ah, atleast I can lay my head down on my pillow at night knowing I am filled with compassion. Instead of working on the real issues of over breeding and the Race horss being used at 2 years of age before their legs are developed, you too are looking for the easy way out and like the other people are looking for the big buck and 5 mins of fame. We could put all the truths right onfront of you and you would still not get it, cause you either have it or you do not, compassion and a sence of right and GOOD....Horses are still used in dog food, there is a plant in New Jersy called Bravo Paking..Amanda Sorvino and Grandad Paul Sorvino (movie Star)have been fighting themJeannie I AM ANTI-SLAUGHTERnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842136564899097734.post-57968726314606735342010-11-11T09:00:46.689-08:002010-11-11T09:00:46.689-08:00That's interesting, Christy -- now provide the...That's interesting, Christy -- now provide the source of that quotation. There are withdrawal periods for bute, and I quote: "Past recommendations for slaughter withdrawal were of a minimum 45 days for the first dose, with another five days added for each day of therapy beyond the first."<br /> http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=485115&sk=&date=&pageID=2 <br /><br />If horse owners are juicing their animals with stuff that is carcinogenic and harmful, what does that say about them?Bruce Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995706761794063165noreply@blogger.com